Read Next: 10 Great Guns That We Wish Were Still Being Made. To stabilize the new, high B.C. When Winchester came out with this modification of the .30-06 these was no other 27-caliber cartridge in the world. Most 225-grain factory loads are rated 2,750 to 2,800 fps, enough velocity to put about 3,900 ft-lb of energy into that little bullet. That bullet offers the best of all worlds, as it will reliably expand at longer ranges when it has slowed down a bit, yet will hold together at woods distances when velocities remain high . The elk offers a huge vital zone. The right bullet in the right place. (Photo: Kristin Alberts/Guns.com) Synonymous with quality hunting ammunition, Nosler shakes things up in the .270 world introducing a new caliber - the 27 . Though Nosler offers just two loads, the handloader can take full advantage of the full gamut of component bullets available for the .270 Winchester and others, giving the handloader a bullet range of 130 to 165 grains. Well, the 27 Nosler shoots flatter than the 6.5 PRC, and delivers more energy on target than the 300 Win. The 27 Nosler shares the same caliber as the storied .270 Winchester and other .27 caliber rifles. No doubt Ive angered all of its fans by comparing it to the old, slow .30-06. Nonsense. .270 Winchester. Re: 27 Nosler vs 28 Nosler. Mag. The 27 Nosler can . Are you concerned about barrel life? On much of their marketing material for the cartridge, they call it The New Herd Bull.. Its a 3.34-inch magnum cartridge that fits the same standard-length action rifles as the .338 Win. Those are the two loads I keep seeing in my local Sportsmans Warehouse and Cabelas. Sales bloomed immediately when it released. The .27 Nosler works with a larger powder reservoir. | As with any caliber, the lighter the bullet and lower the muzzle velocity, the easier the rifle is to handle and the closer you should get before taking your shot. No experience with this specific bullet, but with my .270 I have taken 5 elk (2 bulls, 3 cows) with the 150gr Federal Fusion in factory load. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. He wasnt quite prepared for the recoil when the rifle was mounted on his shoulder over a puffy coat. The new Sig round is wildly different than any other .270 cartridge because its been chronographed spitting 140-grain .277 bullets 3,000 fps. The .270 Winchester fits standard-length actions with standard diameter bolt faces and standard magazines. Blocker Outdoors Finisher gloves, headcovers and other accessories are available in Mossy Oak Bottomland and Mossy Oak Obsession NWTF camouflage patterns to match various turkey hunting terrain. But replacing the 300 WSM doesn't make sense to me. Thirty-calibers have been sending elk to the table for more than 125 years. in a 22-inch barrel. Here stands the old warrior with its two newest competitors in the rather small .27-caliber world. The classic was, is, and remains a lever-action chambered to something larger than .30-caliber. Mag. Quite frankly I was surprised to get that velocity out of the 270 win. Mag., and you understand why its not just the most popular .300 magnum of all time, but one of the best all-round elk calibers of all time. It's extremely flat shooting and drops an incredible amount of energy on target. Home on the Range: The flat-shooting 27 Nosler is an ideal open-country hunting cartridge. But if youre going to this narrow caliber, choose one with more velocity than the Creedmoor. The .300 Win Mag is the worlds most popular magnum. I usually shoot 168 grain Nosler ABLR 160 grain Nosler AB bullets. Again, bullet weight. This little brother to the .338 Win. Chambered in .28 Nosler, this 8 pound, 8 ounce setup kicks quite hard. Elk/Moose Sized Game; I have shot neither so my opinion may not mean much. Yes, the 7mm bullet flies better and can be pushed a bit faster, yet the .30-caliber bullet has more frontal area, dealing a harder initial blow. The .27 Nosler works with a larger powder reservoir. []. If your chosen bullet fails to expand at 1,000 yards, its a poor choice, no matter the energy. Re-barrel to the 27 Nosler and go kill elk. bullets with B.C. True. Figure an 8-pound rifle spitting a 150-grain bullet slapping your shoulder with about 30- to 34 foot-pounds of energy at 16 fps. Mag. When choosing among these three .270s one must consider more than just ballistics. . With modern loads the .45-70 has 200-yard capability, and no issues about hitting an elk hard enough. Mag. I did as instructed, leveling the crosshair of the Leupold VX-3HD on the onside shoulder, and breaking the trigger of the Nosler Model 21 rifle, sending a 150-grain Nosler AccuBond on its way to make meat. Subscribe to OL+ for our best feature stories and photography. Whats different about the .277 Sig Fury is it gets that 3,000 fps from a 16-inch barrel. The two old wildebeest bulls weighed about 315 pounds each, and a mature bull elk weighs approximately 650 pounds. Extremely flat shooting. I took two black wildebeest with my rifle chambered in .28 Nosler. But that has nothing to do with the actual performance of the .277 SIG Fury cartridge or rifle. Stated another way, its the .270s turn. A final consideration these days is availability of guns and ammo. I have just always gravitated to the 7mm's over the 270 cartridges. could be chambered in the standard Model 70 rifles of the day and eventually most other standard length bolt action rifles. Mag. Think it all through carefully before choosing. However, if I were in the market for a fast 7mm, Id look at one of the new unbelted cartridges designed for these bullets. With the right bullet and .308 hunting rifle, the ubiquitous .308 Winchester is more than adequate out to 300 yards where a high B.C. I wouldnt hesitate to take the 27 Nosler on any elk or moose hunt, and Id also feel comfortable using it on the full gamut of African plains game, as well as leopard. Winchesters original .270 of 1925 is still embraced as a mild-shooting, flat-shooting, open-country deer cartridge. If you anticipate hunting big, open country or canyonlands where shots could go long, the .300 and .338 magnums should be on your list. Conceived as a 21st century upgrade, the 27 Nosler delivers previously unobtainable downrange ballistics by pairing the ultimate combination of case capacity with modern long-for-caliber bullets. Do you feel a 140 grain Barnes TTSX would be suitable for elk? With either factory load, the .28 Nosler is well adapted for hunting both Class 2 and Class 3 big game at long range. In the other case, it bucked around for about 5 seconds before expiring. How the Brand-New 27 Nosler Revives the .277, We used the new cartridge on a big-game hunt last fall. The 28 Nosler and Remington Ultra Magnum adds about 250 fps to the Rem. worldwide popularity. .280 Ackley Improved. They share a maximum body diameter of 14.0 mm (0.550 in). The 22, 26, 27, 28, 30, and 32 Noslers. Start with the .30/30 Winchester and climb until your nose bleeds. Like the.350 Legend as an elk cartridge. X-Vision Optics long-range ImpactThermal Scope (TS300) boasts a 640 x 480 thermal sensor that can detect big game well past 3,000 yards. re: new 27 nosler vs 28 nosler Posted on 12/17/20 at 8:43 pm to kengel2. The .28 Nosler shoots flat and powerfully, but it is expensive to shoot, burns barrels quickly, and has significant recoil. This meant the .338 Win. Choosing one of them comes down to personal preference and the kinds of rifles one likes to carry. I wouldnt say Im especially recoil sensitive, but I dont have an iron shoulder either. Recoil is stout, but manageable. While there are some drawbacks to this cartridge for elk hunting, in general its one of the best rounds on the market. Elk dont like any of this. 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That is, the best of the best for terminating elk without beating up shooters. It hits harder than the .30/06 and even the old .300 H&H Magnum without as much recoil as the .338. With 170 gr Berger Elite hunters, RP once fired brass, win large rifle primers, 57.5 grains RL 26 COAL 3.484 I get 2,930 FPS at roughly 70 degrees. Slide up to some of the new 190-gr. But 3,190 FPS with a 170 pill. I warned you this is a big family. The . All Petersen's Hunting subscribers now have digital access to their magazine content. bullets coming soon like the 165-grain AccuBond Long Range just announced and the 170-grain Berger EOL Elite Hunter (G1 B.C. The .28 Nosler shoots flat and powerfully, but it is expensive to shoot, burns barrels quickly, and has significant recoil. There are several more options if you purchase online or order your loads from a local store, but you should be aware that those who dont reload and purchase from local shops will likely not have many options. Bulls are bigger than cows; and mature, fully grown bulls are huge. It will require a 26-inch barrel to reach this speed, but that will make this a superior long range performer and the fastest .270 extant. Faster models like .270 Wby. There are dozens of good elk cartridges, with choices depending largely on the distances you intend to shoot, thus dictating the bullet energy you need to project. The 27 Nosler follows on the heels of the success of its siblingsthe 26, 28, 30 and 33 Noslersbeing based on the classic .404 Jeffery case, shortened to fit in a standard long-action and with much of the body taper removed to enhance case capacity. The .270s are similarly adequate for elkwith caution. The .30/30, .300 Savage, .30/06, .300 Win. Just $1 per month , Heres a list of some of the most notable cartridges for elk hunting. hatched five years later and gave big brother a real run for his money. What does this mean for the hunter in the field? Weatherbys .300 magnum had been dazzling magnum fans since the mid 1940s, but it was a full-length magnum caliber available only in expensive custom or Weatherby Rifles. Think Remington M700s, Savage M110s, Ruger M77s, and even the Browning Autoloading Rifle. This will be for shooting mono-metal bullets mostly for elk hunting. Kali Parmley, Editor-in-chief of Bakccountry Hunter speaks with Bret Maffet of Franchi Firearms to discuss the all new Momentum All Terrain Elite. I think a .30-06 with 180-grain bullet offers about the same performance as a 7mm Remington Magnum with 175-grain bullet. Use enough gun, enough caliber, and enough cartridge and bullet to invite them to dinner. Shooters who love the look of AR rifles with folding stocks, adjustable combs and LOP, barrel shrouds, etc. And it has worked just find on elk, moose, even big brown bears, though most think it waaay too light for that. Mag. A .270 Winchester would generate about 20 ft-lbs in the same rifle. Certainly the .270s and 6.5mms can and do take elk annually, but one would be hard pressed to recommend them as optimum. 30 Nosler cases are preferred if forming 27 Nosler cases because of the similar shoulder dimension. At 300 yards that bullet should still carry nearly 2,700 ft-lb energy, which is close to what a 180-grain .308 Winchester coughs up at the muzzle. That bullet offers the best of all worlds, as it will reliably expand at longer ranges when it has slowed down a bit, yet will hold together at woods distances when velocities remain high; it is also respected as a very accurate bullet. bear a closer comparison. Last year, I purchased a Browning X-Bolt Pro in .28 Nosler. And we dont mean the old .270 Winchester. Drawbacks to the .28 Nosler. That increased capacity, coupled with modern powders, allows the 27 Nosler to drive bullets faster and flatter than ever before. You are all set and go forth with complete confidence. Publisher of Petersen's HUNTING magazine, Kevin Steele is at the Steiner Optics booth with Alberto Corbetta to discuss the Predator 4 and Predator 8. Wonderful elk cartridge, so is the .325 WSM, but theyre not common. The pieces of the .277 Sig Sauer cartridge are assembled via an internal pressure ring of some kind near the base. So, the most likely candidate today is a modern .45-70 lever-action, either a Marlin or Henry in the popular guide gun configuration, short barrel with easy scope mounting. Mag. Its a bolt action looking quite a bit like an AR-15. Manufactured by Nosler as part of their Trophy Grade Ammunition lineup and loaded with the legendary Nosler Partition bullet, this is hands down the best 28 Nosler ammo for elk, moose, or bear hunting at shorter ranges. The old .270 Winchester has been hotly debated since 1925, yet it has been a favorite among thousands of elk pros. Inside of 500 yards the ballistics and energy are comparable. Not everybody has embraced the rage for rangeand not all elk are found in open country. For me, its quite tolerable for shooting up to 30 shots in a practice session and certainly a shot or two for hunting. We manufacture Partition, AccuBond, E-Tip, Ballistic Tip, Custom Competition and much more. Sign up with your email address to receive news and updates. No discussion of a cartridges ability to take large game would be complete without discussing foot pounds of energy. That increased capacity, coupled with modern powders, allows the 27 Nosler to drive bullets faster and flatter than ever before. Shot was quartering to and both shots exited behind off shoulder. This is the unfortunate trade off. The 28 Nosler adds considerable powder, thus energy, to push the same 175-grain bullet as the 280 AI. To take advantage of the cartridge's MPBR (+/- 3"), sight-in the .28 Nosler 160 grain factory load to hit 2.39 inches high at 100 yards. If you need to balance reach and punch with minimal weight, Id look to the 7mm magnums pushing 150- to 175-grain bullets. With good form, a boat tail 225-grain .338 slug should rate a B.C. Im convinced these new, heavy bullets elevate the .270s performance on larger game: Similar to the 7mms with like bullet weights; and exceeding the capability of any 6.5mm. The .264 topped out at 140-grains. During most of its 93 years of existence, the .270 Winchester has been quite popular among hunters, and for as long as I can remember, it has made the Top Five big-game cartridge list at RCBS, according to reloading die sales . Heres a detailed look at each step of the process. And youll definitely want to spark those heavy powder charges with a large rifle magnum primer. Jan 29, 2023 #1 need several 100 pieces of 27 nosler brass brand new in box . will kick with 29.3 ft-lb, and the 300 will slap you with 37 ft-lb. More power. And to handle that, the SIG cartridge is built with a stainless steel head. With a .28 Nosler and a TTSX, you can pretty much guarantee a full passthrough on almost any angle. I am thinking of bullet weight and higher B.C. At the light end is the .338 Federal, the .308 Winchester case necked up. Quite a few elk have fallen from the 117hh in a wsm at . This nudges MV (muzzle velocity) to 3,200 fps and increases recoil velocity to almost 18 fps and energy to nearly . Kevin Steele of Petersen's HUNTING is with Dawn Wehunt of Rock River Arms INC. learning about the new Ascendant platform. The first has a higher muzzle velocity of 3246 FPS (chronographed on a ProChrony Digital) with a lower G1 ballistic coefficient of 0.496 while the later has a lower muzzle velocity of 3121 . The included photo of the model/mock up of this case is close but not exact. For big bears, I prefer 250-grain bullets, but for elk I stick with 200 to 225-grain bullets. more than the 270 WSM at the muzzle. Publisher Kevin Steele is in the Beretta booth with Logan Killam, the Shotgun Product Manager, to discuss the all new Beretta A300 Ultima Turkey. Im not not the kind of shooter that whips out a 50BMG or .338 Lapua for a casual day on the range. Weatherby came out with his .270 magnum fairly soon (about 20 years) after the .270 Winchester took off, but the next .277 shooter didnt pop until 2001 as the .270 Winchester Short Magnum. How about outstanding accuracy, flat trajectories, long legs and a 165gr wallop at the end of that ballistic journey? Kevin Steele of Petersen's HUNTING is at the Streamlight booth at SHOT Show 2023 to go over the Bear Trap light from Streamlight. Mag., .338 RUM, .338 Lapua Mag., and massive .338-378 Wby. Well, bullet weight, perhaps? Recoil is about 30-percent less than the .338 Win. 27 Nosler 150gr AccuBond Trophy Grade Ammunition, 27 Nosler 165gr AccuBond Long Range Trophy Grade Ammunition. Whats best for you depends on the distance you intend to shoot, based on where you hunt. Design evolves. And I write calibers and cartridges because caliber means the diameter of the bore. The Hornady designed the .300 Precision Rifle Cartridge (the .300 PRC) as a precision long-range rifle . Looking for previous installments of our "Behind the Bullet" series?
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